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Cultivating Kinda Gay People | Logan Lynn | music.gay

• Franki Jupiter • Season 1 • Episode 7

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Now, join me as I welcome one of the reasons MUSIC.GAY came into being. In this lovely episode of Music.gay, I talk to one of the father's of the .gay domain, Logan Lynn. Discover Logan's instrumental role in launching the domain, his amazing music and advocacy career, collaborations with major artists, and his relentless fight against online trolling, amongst many other things. From his creative process to his contributions to the LGBTQIA+ community, Logan shares his journey, insights, and the importance of creating a supportive digital and real-world space for queer individuals. Don't miss out on this inspirational conversation!

In this episode, Logan discusses:

  • His latest album "Softcore" and its influences
  • The intersection of his music career and LGBTQIA+ advocacy
  • His personal experiences with mental health and public perception
  • The transformative power of music in community building and personal healing
  • His skin care routine
    • It's good.

Logan also shares his thoughts on the evolving landscape of music and queer representation, his approach to overcoming personal and professional challenges, and his ongoing mission to create a more inclusive and understanding society.

Whether you're a fan of his music or an advocate for queer rights, this episode offers a unique look at how creativity and activism can intersect to spark change. Tune in for a dose of inspiration, a touch of humor, and a lot of heart. 🌈

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Logan:

My experience is that everybody's a little swishy.

Franki:

Mm. A little swishy. A little swing in the hips. A little swishy.

Logan:

Could just be who I've been around, though, too. You know, like maybe I'm cultivating kinda gay people.

Franki:

Hello and welcome to Music. Gay. I'm your host, Franki Jupiter, and today's guest is a very, very special one. In a real way, he's the reason that Music. Gay exists, and I won't bury the lead here. It's Logan Lynn, everyone. Logan is one of the fabulous folks who launched the gay domain back in 2020. I saw that music. gay was available, I snatched it up, thinking I might use it to link to my music, and shortly thereafter it merged into something much better, and much bigger than I had expected. As they say, seize the gay. So thank you for that Logan, and thank you for the million ways that you've been instrumental in infusing this podcast with life. With guests, with encouragement, et cetera. While we're on the subject of praising Logan, aside from being the person that I probably have the most email correspondence with in 2024, he is also a very gifted singer, songwriter. Producer, filmmaker, TV personality, activist, and all around badass. He's been making music for a quarter century, sorry to age you, and has jams out through many major record labels, and even has his own imprint, Logan Lynn Music. He's been awesome. All over the internet, all over your TV and your MTV. He's had music and ads for CoverGirl, Oscar de la Renta, VW, and so much more. He received the award of excellence from the National Council for his advocacy, advocacy work in media to fight the stigma of mental illness. He was named one of the Portland 50 by Kink. fm for his work in keeping Portland weird. He has worked alongside George Takei. Glad, Adam Lambert, PFLAG National, Roxane Gay, and many other queeros. In 2018, he partnered with Portugal the Man to helm Pass PTM Foundation, which is focused on building community resilience, empathy, and awareness through music, stories, art, education, and connectivity. Through this organization, he works with artists from NOFX, And in the midst of all of this, he's managed to put out 10 studio albums. He signed with Kill Rockstars just a few years back, and has collaborated with Bitch as part of the label's 30th anniversary compilation album, and was subsequently named one of the Out 100 Performers of the Year by Out Magazine. GLAAD said he is a testament to queer power and gay joy. Voice of America says he's a tribute to finding community when feeling like an outcast, Advocate Magazine calls him blunt, raunchy, and fun, and now Logan is in the midst of releasing his 11th studio album, Softcore, on Kill Rock Stars. Singles are already out, and the album drops in its entirety on June 7th, 2024. Just in time for you to strip down or wrap yourself in a pride flag and sing along to songs like I'm Just a Hole, Sir, Where the Sun Don't Shine, I Get High, Featuring Bitch, and the title track Softcore. I don't know if you've all noticed, but I have a podcast, so I get to hear a lot of music before the rest of you plebes. Which means that I've already listened to this album front to back and then back to front and then front to front and then In the 69 position and I can tell you it is indeed blunt raunchy and fun And there are some extremely tender and intimate moments on it as well A few singles are already out but you can look forward to the next one that at all coming out probably like Tomorrow 22nd 2024 Everything else, including CDs, vinyls, merch, streaming music events, and appearances, and so much more can be found at loganlynnmusic. com. That's Logan, L O G A N L Y N N music. com. You can reach out to him via Carrier Pigeon or through the contact form on his site. Or you can try your hand at getting in touch. On Instagram at Logan Lynn official. But if you do nothing else, go right now and pre order or at least pre save soft core at POCP.CO/SOFTCORE links will be in the show notes. Of course, it does so much to help us artists out and we are really happy to have you be part of this music. So Logan, Logan is a trailblazer for the LGBTQIA community. He's an activist. He's thoughtful. He's tender. He's horny. He's got a mustache that would make Tom Selleck come. He's everyone's favorite fancy grandma. And he's frequently dressed like an Alejandra Hodorowski character at the Met Gala. And if I'm going to continue, I might have to pull it out and spit on it. So without further ado, please welcome the incomparable Logan Lynn.

Logan:

Wow. Hi, thanks for having me. That guy you were describing sounds high maintenance. Appreciate

Franki:

the intro. Of course. Uh, I'm happy to give it and I'm so happy to have you here. Yeah, there was so much more I could have said. But this is after all only around an hour long podcast. So I'm so glad you didn't. Yeah, I know. Now you got to live up to all that. That's the hard part, right?

Logan:

Yeah. Yeah. It's all downhill from there.

Franki:

Yeah. So let's, let's start with a simple question then. And you can just tell me in your own words after that whole shebang. What is it that you do, or if it's easier you can just tell me what you don't do.

Logan:

What I do is gay. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's the synopsis. Yeah, no, I am, I believe what you call a multi hyphenate. And I do a bunch of stuff, but I try to make those things work together. It's all kind of one big, um, vision for how I wish the world was. And I'm trying to like be the gay I would like to see in the world or something along those lines.

Franki:

I love that. That's super cool. And multi hyphenate meaning that you're working in different types of media. You're working with different types of music and song and TV and film

Logan:

Yeah, I like, I'm doing it all at once too. It's not like I have eras. Yeah, I I'm, I'm doing it all at once. And that is, I think when I'm happiest, I like feeling useful. I like feeling like. Uh, I belong and am making things better, so I stay busy and, and try to do those things while I'm busy.

Franki:

Nice. How do you, how do you keep things, how do you keep your mind straight in the midst of all of that?

Logan:

Therapy! Yay! Uh, yeah, therapy and puppies. Rescue dogs. Uh, I'm a fashion victim from way back. You know, I like playing dress up. I think a lot of that has to do with self care as well. Like I, I want, um, to cultivate beauty and, um, an idea of, uh, I don't know, a point of view around fashion. Mm. Uh so I think a lot of the time, like when I start to feel like work is hard or things are too much, I just lean into the outfits part and it all seems really fun again. Cool.

Franki:

That's a really interesting take on it. I think that there's such a, there's so much fast fashion that happens in the world today and like Boo. Yeah. Boo. She in. Yeah.. I accidentally did an ad for them. A couple. Uh uh oh, they canceled. Yeah. Bye. Bye. Me. Bye, I'm hanging

Logan:

up now. See ya, good talk.

Franki:

I think it's, I think it's true though, that having like, um, having a real style is different than having like an ever changing fashion. And, and in seeing, like I just watched a, This cool little video that was like 20 minutes long and it happened to be all about you singing songs from Softcore. Oh, I'm not familiar. Oh, well, that's amazing. But the outfits in it, right? There's like, there's a, there's a voice in, in the way that you're dressing. And I think it's really, it's simultaneously inviting, but also mysterious. And I really, I really dig that, like, you know, I think it's easy to put on an outfit that you just went out and bought and be like, this is what I am today. And then change that completely tomorrow. But to have something that's like a through line is really cool. And I think it's a testament to caring about it.

Logan:

Thank you. Yeah. I take these musical eras very seriously. I want to feel and look the way I sound during these album release cycles. So like during the new money release, I was I had that Gucci contract and I was Gucci down every day with like, um, you know, diamonds like just to be ridiculous. And then now I'm doing this other thing, which I don't really have a clear synopsis for, but I can give you several descriptors from other people have happened. When we were at the Grammys, I went to a party, uh, for with glad, like with a bunch of gay musician people. And I will not name the name, but a very famous pop singer stopped me. I was dressed like I have been dressing with these big hats and, and you know, long flowy whatnot, um, stopped me and said, well, that's a look. And I said, thank you. And then, um, this person looked at right at me and my soul and goes, Little bo gay or little gay bo peep has lost her sheep and I was like, Oh, happy Grammys and I kept walking. Um, there's been a lot of like, Oh, you're a pilgrim or like, you know, I don't, I actually don't know what it, what it really is vibing with it, but like, it's so funny. The projections that are coming from the outside world around how I look this. It's, uh, very, I would say it's very pronounced.

Franki:

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, I think like, for me, it was the Hodorowski thing, right? Like, there's, there is this, and that immediately conjures, like, religious iconography. Yeah. It conjures, like, this sense of mystery, but also, like, It's inviting someone to come in and it's flowy and it's, and I love it.

Logan:

Thank you. I appreciate it. It's kind of a trick too, because I get to go to all these red carpet events, basically wearing pajamas. Like I'm in my jammies everywhere I go this whole era. I'm very comfortable, which is cool. Cause I think, um, uh, some of the material and, and the stuff, the other stuff around this era, I'm less comfortable with, at least my outfits are very comfy.

Franki:

Yeah. Well, let's speak to that, right? Like it's, it's, you're very open and raw with a lot of this stuff. It's playful still. It's still like big beats and fun and disco y at times and 80s at time. But like, there's also this, like, at the same time you're showing your raw underbelly.

Logan:

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm in a little bit of a overexposure mode again. I do that with my albums. Cause I'm actually making them to exercise some sort of personal demon each time. Like I know that's not like groundbreaking stuff, but that is what's happening over here. You heard it here first. You guys, music can really help you heal. Um, so I, you know, I'm doing that. It's an uncomfortable process. And I think the reason it sounds the way it does, uh, with the dance music piece is just because the lyric stuff is a little bit harder. That's always been the thing. And the times in my past where I've, um, aligned the sound with what I'm saying, it's like too much for people. Including me. Like, it's like, Oh no, what's happening. Um, so, you know, I do that for myself as well as, as just the listener. I think it's like a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down sort of thing. Yeah.

Franki:

Yeah. I think, yeah. Cause I think of like, when you said that, I thought of artists like, um, MIKA or MEEKA (Mika), however people want to pronounce it, like who content matches oftentimes the sound or on the other side of that Anoni who's like, Her music is very much also matches her sound, but it's like, Oh God. And some people do it really well. And I think also there's definitely something to be said for like, I do something funny and it's sounds depressing or I do something that's like actually really deep and dense and like soul bearing. And it's got this pop tune on top of it. Like, I think that's. I think that's a style that works.

Logan:

I think it's cool to be able to give people the opportunity to engage my music in different ways. Like if you want to get deep, you can bust out the lyric sheet and go there with me. And if you want to dance, you can dance. I'm fine with both. In fact, I prefer you just dance. Don't just dance. Just don't like through

Franki:

movement. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. How, what was, what was your start with all this in the first place, whether therapy or music, How did you get into this place where you started creating? Cause you're now 25 years into it.

Logan:

I know it's so weird. Like, how is that possible? Because I'm only 21 years old. No, you're just a baby. It's proof that, you know, past lives exist. Uh, I got into it out of necessity. I, my parents. Um, you know, took me into like a recording studio in the mall in the eighties. Do you remember, were you around for all this phenomenon where, Oh yeah. Okay. So I did a little right next to the glamour shots. Yeah. But like the musical version where you like go and like you sing to the Amy Grant track.

Franki:

Yep.

Logan:

Um, I did that a bunch. So I kind of caught the bug there. I had weird childhood trauma met with cognitive dissonance around. I thought I was a pop star really early on. Like that's how I survived. So that was like, like dissociated into that room. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And in fact very specifically thought, felt, and acted as though I was a character on kids incorporated for quite some time. Um, lots of therapy since then. But I do think like I was already in the mindset of like, I'm a pop star, I'm a celebrity, I'm a singer. And so, you know, You know, that part came first and then I got a keyboard at some point from my cousin, a Casio SK one and started, you know, writing songs. And then, um, you know, I was kicked out of my house as a teenager. I was, queer youth, also, you know, groundbreaking stuff that you've never heard, I'm sure. Yeah, but it's so real and so

Franki:

many people have experienced it.

Logan:

It is so real and so common and I'm one of those people. Um, and you know, I fell into a scene in Portland as I was navigating that. Where, um, the Dandy Warhols and Elliot Smith and a bunch of just like the old Portland famous bands before they got famous. And it took me under their wing, uh, and, you know, managed my career early on, helped me help me get a leg up. And I think from that point on, I just, Music as a way to alleviate the pain I was in as well as get something.

Franki:

Yeah.

Logan:

Uh, and I think that the vehicle part has changed over the years, like that I can use music or my songs or whatever to like get me somewhere, whether that's to safety, When I was homeless or whether that's like a, you know, a way to pay a bill or a way to connect with advocacy, like whatever that is. I think I realized really early on that music was a vehicle. Um, and I, I've driven that vehicle off the cliff. I've used it properly, improperly. I've done a bunch of things with the vehicle. Um, but I think, you know, the through line there is that it has always helped me, um, survive. Yeah.

Franki:

Yeah. That's huge. And I mean, like, there's this sense that I have that also not groundbreaking, but it's like every queer is adopted,

Logan:

Right?

Franki:

Every queer is adopted. And it's by either necessity or it's by you found a group that really you click with or whatever it might be. But it's, it is this, you know, it's so funny. You know, we've talked a little in the past just in briefly about like religious upbringing, but like the story of that, I think both you and I were kind of like had rammed down our throats of, you know, this like resurrection and redemption and all this stuff. Yeah. It's so interesting to see how That becomes a necessity in our own lives to like, sort of take on a new character and embody something that's bigger than ourselves, which is like queerness or it's the communities that we find ourselves in and then like, have that death and that rebirth into the version of ourself where maybe we change our names. Hi, maybe we change all the people we spend our time with. Like, there's so much

Logan:

that maybe we change our nose.

Franki:

There you go. I mean, there's just so many things that I think. Out of necessity, but also, you know, out of the desire to create, right? Yeah. And do have this character. Yeah.

Logan:

Yeah. I did a lot of that. I did a lot of that.

Franki:

Why do you think the pop character was like this, this kind of like expression that, that showed up to save you?

Logan:

I don't know. It's a

Franki:

big one, right? It's bold and it's seen.

Logan:

So deluded. Yeah, I, um, I have no idea. I think I was very moved by TV. I was sheltered. And so when I was exposed to television, like Kids Incorporated or Annie, the musical, or, you know, different things like that, I was like, really affected by it in a way where I again, just, I think it helped me. In a situation where I was being told I was like, bad or had demons or Mm-Hmm. didn't, you know, the, the stuff I was interested in was no good. Um, I think it helped me envision, um, something else in the midst of all that and, and that something else was like really powerful. I also like, you know, secretly listened to the radio growing up. Mm-Hmm., um, 'cause I wasn't allowed to listen to secular music. Yeah. I. music in a way that was desperate because of the lack of access. And I think, you know, at one point Suzanne Vega's Luca came on the radio. It was like a big song in the eighties. It's about child abuse. And, um, I just like, Also in that moment, I think that was the first time where a song like really reached me as a kid and like gave me words for stuff I didn't really have words for. Gave me like a, a, again, a vehicle towards, I think personal healing and, and growth. Yeah. Suzanne Vega reached me in a way that I, that, that clicked. And I think the kids incorporated like Gloria and those, those shows, those silly little shows. They just like, really like, Open my eyes to the world in a way that I wasn't aware of before.

Franki:

And I think that like, I'll, I'll project here a little bit, but I feel like your music is wanting to do that same thing. And aside from just being therapeutic for you yourself, like there's a very real sense of like, your music is there so that other people who hear it will feel seen. And I

Logan:

like that. I hope so. Yeah. I like the idea that it's, useful somehow. And that, um, you know, the thing that has happened with me and other bands so many times where I felt like, Oh, you too. Or like, I'm, Oh my God, not you too.

Franki:

The band, you too. I

Logan:

mean, you also, yes. Um, Oh my God, I'm not alone. Like that moment has been so important to me so many different times. Uh, I love the idea that that may be happening. And then, you know, actually that it is because I hear from people that it is. happening. I've also experienced that it shows where like I've been in some sort of trance on stage and I look up and so is everyone else. I think that kind of stuff. Um, has sort of solidified my love and my need for, um, for that to still be something I do. Even times where I've tried to quit music because of the parts that are hard, I still always just create and then there are songs and like, what are we, we're just not going to release the songs. Right.

Franki:

Right. Yeah. It gets its hooks in and it doesn't let go. What are the parts of music that let's say you love the most and then hate the most?

Logan:

I love talking on podcasts the most good. Fantastic. Yeah, I like that part. I like doing the press part. I like telling the story. I like writing the songs. I love making the videos. I obviously love making, um, like these relationships happen with designers and, and figuring out the looks and the vibes. The part that I don't like is the part where. That I'm actually, the part that I'm actually cultivating is the part that ends up being kind of complicated for me. Like this, everyone's looking at me or I'm, I'm on stage and I'm getting some level of attention that I don't actually want. I wish there, I think I, I have really bad stage fright. I always have. And so I've always tried to find parts of the music industry that I can engage that don't feel like they're hurting me or taking something from me. Um, but that's, that's hard. The music industry isn't really known for that. Yeah. Um,

Franki:

but maybe it's changing, right?

Logan:

I hope so. Yeah. I, I certainly have a record label that cares for me, cares about me is like very. And I think unique in that way, kill rock stars is like an anomaly, but, but I hope that things are changing. Um, it certainly has changed for me over the years. Uh, I think that the parts that I love, uh, outnumber the parts that I don't, and I've been able to sort of keep myself safe from the pieces that are really, that really feel bad. And I think, you know, the, Touring is hard for me. I'm not a great touring guy. I love home. I love dog. I love bed. I love Consistency and none of those things are on tour. Yeah, I like activating tours for other bands. That part's great.

Franki:

Cool

Logan:

Get the good part and then send them on the road, but not actually have to be on the road myself. Uh, but the parts that I love that I think I need is the the part where i'm actually making the song or the video And then getting to talk about that.

Franki:

Yeah, cool And when you do talk about it when you are making those things, what is it that you're hoping that you're conveying? Or is it purely therapeutic?

Logan:

No, i'm just trying to get the poison out. I think yeah in a way um

Franki:

doing your self exorcism

Logan:

Yeah, like it sounds corny, but it actually is what's happening. And I, I guess like, I'm hoping that I'm not alone on some great greater level. Like, I think that's the, the broader dream is that I'm casting a net for like minded people to maybe find me or find each other or whatever.

Franki:

When do you feel like that? That is satisfied. Let's say you put out a new song. Is it feedback that you get from someone? Is it when you do it on a stage and you look up and people are there with you? Like,

Logan:

Oh, I would never look up. No, I just said that I do that. Um, I definitely am too scared for it to be the stage thing when that's happening. I'm in like I have to either be in a trance or wasted and I haven't been wasted since 2008. So trance it is. Um, I, yeah, I think that the, that the, the, the making the music, when I, when I feel like I've hit something that it can then belong to the world again, like that's the thing I'm hoping happens is that the experience I'm trying to navigate or write about is no longer just mine and mine alone, but I've created something in a way that makes it where it belongs to the world.

Franki:

That's really cool. That just, you, uh, sometimes, you know, a sentence triggers an idea or a vision and, and for me just now, like I was just recently in Baja, California. So, and, and I went to this one little island that like used to be where the indigenous people would collect, um, Clams and get the pearls out of it. And that whole, like, I I've always known kind of how a pearl gets made, but like actually thinking about it and thinking about it in terms of what you just said a little bit, like this idea that there's something that gets under our skin and we have, All this time to sort of like gestate and roll it around and like, let it be uncomfortable and try to make it into something beautiful. And it can stay there. And like, it's still under our skin until the moment where we say, okay, I released this, I opened this into the world and then it becomes something beautiful. And I think that that's, yeah.

Logan:

I like that. I love pearls also. So good analogy. Am I wearing some? I am. Oh, look at me. Oh yeah. I'm not, but I do love. Miss the memo. I sent it. Yeah. That wasn't in your notes.

Franki:

I'm so sorry. Next time.

Logan:

Okay, great. I love that. There's a next time. Um, yeah, no, I think that's beautiful. If that can happen. I've, I've done both, right? Like I've done something that is pearl. Like I've also done stuff that just like re traumatizes me somehow. I think it's a It's like a double sided coin and music is beautiful. It's there's nothing about it that I don't think is beautiful. Um, but there are, I think if I had advice for my younger self, 25 years ago, I would say, keep some of it to yourself.

Franki:

Interesting. Cool. What, what would be the things or is it content? Is it specific?

Logan:

Yeah, I think anything I said or saying from 1998 to 2008 could go and the world would be okay. I think those things were important for me to like get to a place where I could communicate through song in a way that resonated with people. It was important for me to suck for a really long time before I could not suck. Um, but yeah, I, I wish I could take a lot of that stuff back that I was saying and said when I was high on cocaine and alcohol, you know, I think a lot of that. Um, doesn't resonate with me.

Franki:

Was it just kind of, was it just anger? Were those dark years where you were just spitting vitriol to get things out of yourself or?

Logan:

Good question. Uh, let's ask that 17 year old crackhead what he was thinking. I often can't relate with him. Yeah. Um, yeah, no,

Franki:

that's important too, though. I mean, that's a really important sentiment. The idea that like, We have ourselves and some of those selves die off to make room for new selves as a real thing yeah,

Logan:

I try to be really compassionate with myself around all that I've, I've wanted to delete it all my back catalog so many times, but I have to just own it. Like the reason I am who I am as an artist and as a person now is. Because of all that and back then the reason it sounds disturbing and dark and upsetting and clunky and weird is because that's how life was. I've always, my music has always been a reflection of how life is going for me. And as things sound good, that's a pretty good gauge that that life is also, you know, going well. Uh, if things sound dark and confused, that's because they We're dark and confusing right then, but like everything was so different too. It's like so long ago. I, I do not mean to sound like Jeremy Piven or one of these comedians. That's like, Oh, well, well, comedy, but like, it was such a long time ago that I actually think. I was doing a different thing and the whole, like the music scene, we were doing a different thing. We were pushing against the culture in a different way than people are now, including myself. I do things way differently, whether that's talking about like trying to be anti racist and then whoops, that was racist or trying to like talk about my gayness in a way that's like completely problematic. Now, like when I look back on it, like, All of that stuff, whatever my intentions were, like, it just didn't land how I wish it had in retrospect, you know? Yeah. But hindsight's 20 20 and whatnot.

Franki:

Well, exactly. And I, and we do, we change so much, right? And I think that like, there are certain moments where you see somebody get put on blast and canceled and you're like, yeah. That was warranted. But I do, I do feel like so much nowadays, like there's this sense of, it's just very difficult if you did have a past that was shaped by something different, that was shaped by drugs, that was shaped by being around a different set of people than you're around now, that was, you know, came out of misunderstanding, whatever it might be, if you were vocal then, and you're still vocal now, like, It doesn't mean that you're vocal about the same things. It doesn't mean that you believe the same things. But I think that like, the fact that everything is for, for better or worse, like kind of indelible, especially nowadays that everything is online and everything is videotaped and the NSA has stocks of literally everything we've ever done for our entire life. Yeah, that all exists out there somewhere. And I think that there's like, Not a whole lot of forgiveness available for people. And I feel like that is tipping people towards being less real when you're not given grace to be like, Oh, interesting that you said that. Um, let me tell you why that's problematic and horrible. And then maybe you can change that rather than being like, Oh, you said a thing 20 years ago, fuck you, you're canceled. It's like, it's not great.

Logan:

No. And like, I just challenge anyone to have their deepest darkest secrets from the time they were 17 on be available for download on the internet and have that not be clunky at times. And you know, I just, I didn't start out as a whole healthy, happy person. I started out as a suicidal. and those were the songs that I made and those were the interviews that I gave and the video clips where I'm screaming or being insane on stage. Like that's because I was having a real actual mental health problem. So I think, you know, my accountability as an artist and also as a human being is like ongoing. But like I've definitely had to sort of forgive a lot of like what happened before 2008.

Franki:

Yeah, that's cool. And speaking of forgiveness, you know what you want and what you want is forgiveness. Hey, play dead on your back. Like you did before a perfect segue into the song, bet it all. Let's talk about it. I think it's cool. I think it's a great song. It's a little bit like nineties rock. It's a little

Logan:

Yeah, Weezer, baby!

Franki:

yeah, it's got, it's got a lot of things going on. Like. Let's talk about it as first as a song, like the process of creating a song, maybe walk me through the creative process, how it sparked into your mind, what gave you the idea for it, et cetera.

Logan:

Yeah, well, I have never changed my process of songwriting since day one. I was raised in a acapella only church,

Franki:

Wait, is this real? Yo, okay. I'm super, you got me hooked.

Logan:

Yeah, no, I was raised, no music. If God wanted you to have an instrument, he would have put it on your body.

Franki:

And you're like, whoa, look at this.

Logan:

Thanks, God.

Franki:

Not that instrument.

Logan:

That's interesting. I've never thought about the sex connotation.

Franki:

Oh, yeah.

Logan:

That's so funny.

Franki:

Skin flute, baby.

Logan:

Elders at my church. Communications class for all of you. Um, yeah, you know, I, I started writing songs, acapella as like acapella spirituals and I still do that. So everything starts out that way. Um, I, I, for whatever reason, songs just either come to me or they don't, I can't like be hired to write you a song. I've tried that several times, like, no, I'll keep your money. I have to be inspired and many things can inspire me good and bad. Also real life and television both can work, but like I can't just be like I am writing a song about a red dress now anyway What the hell was your question?

Franki:

I want to talk about better at all. I want to talk about how you started writing the song.

Logan:

Oh yeah, so my process is the same Always acapella. I was like, Oh, red dress. Interesting. Wait, why am I talking about a red dress? Yeah.

Franki:

Next song. You heard it here. Logan Lynn's next song is about a red dress.

Logan:

Yeah. I have to give you a writing credit. I, uh, I started it the way I always start them. So like they just come out, the song is fully formed. Like whether it's the chorus verse and everything, or just a part of it, it's like, I I'm like, Oh my God, I'm in the shower and it happens and I record it. And then I take that and for bet it all the same process took that to my producer once it has sort of a shape. Um, and I flush, I sort of flesh out all of the lyrical stuff before I take that to anybody. Um, and then he builds out the music stuff. Uh, from there with me is my longtime songwriting and production partner, Gino Mari. Uh, and you know, we like make it happen. He, he, I'm like not technically savvy around music. Um, as far as like playing instruments, I'm like super clunky. Like I'm an electronic musician for a reason. Cause I suck. Uh, uh, no, I, uh, I have a certain thing I can do. That's really important. I write good songs, but a lot of that involves me humming at a producer and being like, go like this, do this, you know, this sound, like this. Yeah. Make it sound like more like stuff that's like not at all musical technical terms. And this man knows how to interpret that and has for years. So he then takes what I'm saying and makes it make sense. We work back and forth together and then go into the studio and record it all once it's been demoed.

Franki:

Nice. How important in general is that process of collaboration to you when writing?

Logan:

Well, if the world wants my songs to sound good, it's very important that someone else be involved. Um, if you want to hear what my songs sound like without people involved, One has to only look, you know,

Franki:

join you in the shower. It sounds like

Logan:

Listen up! Now, but like, you know, all those early records sound so crappy because it's me on a four track recorder doing it by myself. Um, And that collaboration thing I think can fuck something up or really help it. I've had both. Uh, and I think that's why I work with the same people over and over for years and years. Always go back to Gino. Always, you know, have the same mastering folks in the end because they know what I want. Why fix it if it's not broken. Um, and they are able to either get something out of me that I can't get out of me otherwise. Or they are technically more savvy around pushing buttons and making instruments do the thing that instruments do. Uh, than I am. Yeah. It's so much better. Gino is. Um, has been involved in a lot of my albums and I think, you know, we've both kind of grown, uh, alongside each other. So like the, the, our collaborations are better than they ever have been and felt super, um, natural this time. Supernatural. Supernatural. Uh, it was like ghosts. No, I felt like very easy. And, um, I think we just know each other so well now that he and I have, uh, Special thing that happens that I guess is like what happens with long term relationships in general, probably start speaking the same language and it becomes very easy to get those ideas out. Yeah, shorthand man, you save so much time. Yeah, that's cool. And, and I mean, this isn't the only place you're collaborating. I want to move if we can just real quick into like talking about past the mic and talking about the. the genesis of the dot gay thing as well. Like I feel like that whole world you're also involved with is it's one of activism. It's also one of just like really making it known, like people who want to be seen deserve to be seen. People who are out deserve to be out and loud about it. And all those things are so. Kind of crucial to like, I hate to say like your brand, but like who you are as a person, right? My brand. Your brand. I'm an influencer. You are though. Yeah. Thank you. I, uh, my work here is done. Yeah. No, I, like I said, I think I, I've always been trying to make things. Things matter. Mm-Hmm., uh, I don't, I do not believe that me making a good song and then talking about how cool I am is enough. Uh, it's not enough for me at least. Should we end the podcast

Franki:

here then? Because I, I thought I was pretty sure that was what this was.

Logan:

Okay, fine. That's enough . Uh, in fact, yes, it is clearly enough. I'm trying to balance out my ego. Yeah, yeah. Good. With all this other stuff. No, I, I need to feel useful in order. To be any good. And so I think once that clicked in my mind a long time ago, um, that advocacy work, I was also good at and that I could use music, other people's music, tours, live events, my own music as a vehicle to help people get services, whether that's for mental health or to help people find each other. Um, making the entertainment industry and my connections and my own, um, just experience making that useful for the community in some way has been exhilarating in so many ways. And so, you know, that has looked a number of different ways. Like a number of ways. I had a mental health campaign that I launched, which you mentioned in your beautiful intro, won some awards.

Speaker 3:

It

Logan:

was back when talking about mental health and suicide prevention was not cool yet.

Franki:

Crazy to think about how much things have changed, right? I love it. It's so great. Like what we did actually

Logan:

worked. Yeah. But I, I did that and I was like, Oh my God, like the stuff that's happened to me in my life and my songs and also, you know, this network of people that I have in the music industry, this is useful to like kids with mental health conditions or, you know, for helping, um, fight. Bigotry or, you know, fight stigma, like all these things that sort of emerged during that time connected a lot of dots for me. And I also, you know, I had a concert series where I had hundreds of really big, big name bands play, and I would interview them about their self care and mental health. They play a few songs and Me and Portugal, the man connected during that time around, like, they played the my concert series and then they invited me to go on tour with them and activate all those shows with the campaign. And while I was on that tour, I was like, Oh, my God, you guys have, like, so much going on with community. Maybe I can help you organize that. And then they were like, yes, come, come be on the team. So like, that was all very organic. And that has, I joined the Portugal and man team in 2019 to help them organize their own advocacy and political stuff that the band was doing, um, activate their tours, whether that was in the direction of communities of indigenous peoples or mental health or voting, like whatever, so Whatever the band wants to activate a show around, I've helped them do and that eventually led to us starting PTM Foundation, which is now past the mic. Um, and it's been really cool. Like we've, you know, we make grants, we, uh, invite the community out to shows, local tribal members come and we've literally passed the mic over to them before the show starts. And try to raise money and, and awareness using, you know, Portugal demands music as the vehicle that also led to me working with Lucy Dacus and boy genius and no effects and a bunch of other bands to do the same thing. And I think all of that was kind of accidental. I, I just know how to do it. And so like, so other bands were like, Hey, maybe you should do it over here too. And we did. Right. And then now it's like an actual thing. Um, and I think similarly with doc gay, you know, I would, that came out of necessity too. I was being trolled so terribly. Um, and like ultimately had on your site

Speaker 4:

or

Logan:

on, on Reddit as a result of a music video, I had put out this like. I don't really want to like poke the bear again because they're all still out there. But like this group of trolls that were connected to like a comedian just like came after me. There were like 28, 000 of them every day, all day long. Just like making, making my life really bad. Bad. Um, and luckily I am who I am. You know, I think a lot of people shrink away during those times. I did not. I was like, fuck this. I made it my full time job to just like go after Reddit investors and get them to help me. And we did, we changed Reddit's policies. We changed a lot of policies across the board. I, I worked with a bunch of different LGBTQIA. During that time, just to fucking please somebody help me. And at right then, like top level design who are the founders of doc gay, it's a tech company that like works in this top level domain space came to me and they were like, Hey, Remember us from many years ago, we'd love to like partner with you on doc gay, and I was able to like, you know, link up with them at a time before the brand had taken shape, really became more of a response to the trolls, more of a response to this idea that LGBTQ people just have to be abused online for business, like that's what everybody just does is we just abuse queer and trans people. I reject that. I rejected that at the time. And I built policies that, uh, created, you know, sort of a new way of being on the internet. Um, and I was also again, able to use my connections in the entertainment industry for the community in a way that was handy dandy. And it ended up being the most successful, uh, domain launch in internet history. I am not a tech bro. I'm like, yeah, really accidentally a tech bro. Um, but that led to go daddy acquiring the domain last year and I helped, uh, bring it over to go daddy where it is now. And I also am still. I'm still in my role, uh, with Doug Gay and it's been really fun and amazing to watch it grow and to feel like we have this power as a people now to take down certain things off the internet to actual reporting feature. People can use where a real human being of some sort can help you like all the stuff that I didn't have available to me when I was really going through it as a public queer person on the internet. We've been trying to create and I think it's been really amazing to watch people like you embrace the domain and make it your own. Get like a killer, um, domain URL that you could never get with dot com. Like, it'd be like a bazillion dollars or whatever. I think that's also been really special, like, to be able to help other. Um, queer and trans folks get online in a new way or in a funny way or like whatever the way they're approaching is like, I think it's been really special to watch it grow and it is not at all like what I thought it was going to be honestly, like when we were launching, everything was. in the direction of like, how do we make it diverse? How do we make it not just porn? How do we, you know, like all of this, and it's just like not, it was never any of those things maybe because we planned for it, maybe not, but like, At a certain point, we were like, we need more adult creators on the platform. We overcorrected. So now the meetings

Franki:

are like, how do we make it at least

Logan:

some porn? How do we totally, totally. Yeah, no, it's been really a beautiful reflection of the community and, and we. Been able to raise so much money for GLAAD and Centrelink. I just always feel proud every time we cut a check that like, um, Corporate America is giving to local community centers, uh, helping save people's lives. I know they are helping save people's lives because I'm one of those people, um, who had his life saved at one of those centers. So it's been like a special Um, full circle moment for me will be like, ha ha, I'm in the room and I'm going to help the community.

Franki:

Yeah. And it's so, there's something so holistic about it, right? Like there's something so all encompassing about this idea that, okay, it is of. Let's call it a fringe community, right? Like it's, it's people that who spent a lot of their lives on the sort of outside of something now saying, this is our piece of real estate. We own this. We can get in at a time where it's still viable and vital. And there's interesting things happening here. And not only is there some sense that like, we have protection within this digital real estate where like, if people try to come in and bully us out of this space. There's security that says, no, no, no, no, you can't do that. This is, it's not just our private club, but you're not invited if you're not going to act right. And there's also this sense that it's giving back to places that are really beneficial for these people. IRL as well, right? It's not just like in the online space because yeah, you don't want to be bullied off the internet, but if you are, there is still a world that you can go find your way in one way or another. And of course, this is, um, that's crazy to think of like everyone deserves to be. In all of these spaces, but the fact that like, you've also got now these things funding the, the, the meat space as well. Right. Where like people can go in and get physical health and mental health help. And these things are being funded by the very thing that is also allowing them to be, you know, to feel seen and even spotlighted online is it's huge. Like it's Yeah, I

Logan:

love it. It's a feel good part of my professional life. And the idea that we can take money from homophobes who put up a hateful site and donate that money while also taking their site down is just a beautiful fine print clause in the whole platform. And that is just me being spiteful. Frankly, when we were putting the, um, policies together, I just had had enough and I still have. I'm still spiteful. I still feel like if you're going to take the time to register a domain, put up something that is anything but celebrating, um, LGBTQ plus people, uh, you can fuck right off. I'm going to take your site down

Speaker 3:

and don't take your money and your site down.

Logan:

Yeah. I like that. It's great. It's been great. It's been so healing for me just as a person who had to eat shit for so many years. Um, and you know, when Logo came out, I was one of the first, if not the first, um, video that they played, uh, certainly one of the first people who hosted that show. And that went out to like 26 million homes that were not ready for it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I. I think I just became a focal point for a section of the internet at that point that just grew and grew and grew and they still are around.

Franki:

This was MTV's, like, this is the whole new, now, next, or whatever.

Logan:

Yeah, like, being gay publicly was like It was cool back then to other gay people and that was the list.

Speaker 3:

It wasn't cool to anyone

Logan:

else. But like that had to happen. I'm happy that that happened and that I was part of that. It needed to happen so that RuPaul's Drag Race and all this like glorious every show has a gay character stuff and they're not a serial killer could happen. Not only villains anymore. That's I carry some of that with me and I think gay being a place for me to get some of that agency back personally has been really cool and to watch it just become its own community and its own thing way outside of me or any of the founding people or even go daddy registry or, you know, it's, it's, it's its own community now, which is. I think very moving and special. And I think whether you're talking about a big company that's registered and is using it for like their employee resource group, like target is doing, or you're talking about, um, somebody like you, who's using it to like, you know, put a vision of a better world or, uh, you know, cultivate something that is unique to our community. I think both of those use cases really matter a lot, and it's been exciting to see, um, you know, both sides of that, um, the gay community really come alive. Totally.

Franki:

So cool. What's been the most surprising thing about it for you?

Logan:

I don't think I realized how many furries there were, um, on the internet, and how all of them want a gay, and how they're all on Blue Sky, and that gay is like a Blue Sky thing. Like, there's been little bits and pieces. Internet, like very online things that have happened very surprising and just like how many people are using doc a to meme and just be funny or just, you know, because it's accessible and affordable, people are using it in ways that you would never use a dot com or something like that, where your name is too expensive or impossible to get, or, um, I think it's been cool to, to see that. I think it. You know, watching, um, to see who registered protectively versus people who registered to get a live site on the internet has is always fascinating. I've got like a list of celebrities that registered right away that pay for it every year, but do not have a. live, do not have a redirect. And I think that's just because they didn't want anybody to get the doc, a site and make a site about them. Right. Also fine.

Franki:

Some of, are some of them very clearly not gay,

Logan:

very clearly not gay.

Franki:

Yeah. Interesting.

Logan:

Yeah. Um, and you know, some of those have turned into activations. Like some of the bigger names that were gay, I was then able to be like, Hey, like. I'm just a guy that's running this platform. We'd love to like help tell your story or activate your site. We've helped some people get online that way too. I think it's unique in that way. And that it's like, not like. design or. org or, or something that has like one specific purpose,

Speaker 3:

but

Logan:

gay has always been whatever the user makes it. And I think that looks a lot of ways, but it looks very bare and very furry. More than I expected.

Franki:

So many furries.

Logan:

So little time. They are into it. And so am I. I love it. What better use case than just the entire furry community.

Franki:

Sure. I mean, you said you love puppies anyway, so you're just one step away. I do.

Logan:

I

Franki:

love puppies.

Logan:

So,

Franki:

okay, let's, let's jump back in then to, like, I, I feel like all these things have been not happenstantial, not that that's a word, but, like, like you said, like, you were just good at these things, and so organically they grew into what they were. What have been some of the things, is, do you have, like, a big, big, like, The biggest dream for your life that you're still trying to like actively make happen, or do you feel like you're kind of just like, dude, you're doing it.

Logan:

Oh God. I think feeling peaceful inside is the goal. I, you know, I'm always working on that. All this external stuff fights against that, frankly. Um, Frankie, I mean, Frankie, uh, no, it fights against it. My goal is inner peace and just tranquility. Like me being like my new song, I'm just a whole, sir has released. Uh, it's not the way you'd get that. Yeah. So I'm done. Or maybe it is. Maybe it is so far. It hasn't worked, but maybe, um, yeah, I think I'm double signaling probably, which is my specialty. Uh, but I think the times where I've felt successful, like getting signed to kill rock stars, I was a big one. And I was like, Oh, finally, like that's the only record label I've ever wanted to be signed to. Um, that was a big one. And I think getting engaged last year was cool. I feel like having a little bit of a family sounds nice. And just like, I'm like into this idea that life is like, um, looking the way it's going to look for a while. I, I love change, but I'm over personal change. I have grown enough.

Speaker 3:

Yeah,

Logan:

I am not into it. I'm done growing and changing. Just marry me. Let's have a, whatever we're going to have, but let's start that. Get that show on the road. I think for so many years I put off personal life because I was chasing this Nonsense that I continue to chase of course, um, but with a different boundary around it at this point Uh, I think that that I had a moment where I was like, oh cool A ring on my finger that that's a nice feeling. I I apparently that is one of the things that I want so To each their own for me Uh, that has felt nice and, you know, planning a wedding and all that shit just seems cute as hell.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. Um,

Logan:

and is the opposite of suffering in my mind. Like for some people that's going to sound like absolute suffering, in my mind it's not. Um, so that's why I'm getting married and maybe you don't need to everybody. Just this is what's making me happy. And not everyone needs to be a musician either. They don't. And not everyone has to be a fashion victim. I'm doing me. Uh, not everyone is trying to train a puppy during this entire conversation.

Franki:

Zero percent interest from me. The marriage thing, sure. I do it. I'm collecting rings at this point. I'm gonna have Thanos in a couple years, but

Logan:

Yeah.

Franki:

But as far as the puppy thing, no. No, thank you.

Logan:

Give me furries,

Franki:

maybe. But, mm.

Logan:

Pups not puppies.

Franki:

Exactly.

Logan:

Uh, I only know that because of my work with dog. A I didn't know that before.

Speaker 5:

Mm-Hmm.. Logan: Um, yep. Yeah. No, I, I've, I feel like I have to answer your question more succinctly. I think I've done the thing I set out to do, and all of this feels like gravy. I think, you know, me being sober as long as I ever was fucked up, um, has been a cool, that was a cool anniversary in March to be like, Oh, cool. Like 16 years is a long time. It's as long as I was wasted. Um, that has felt cool. I'm letting myself just like sit down when I hit the summits. Now instead of being like, I'm at a summit, I see the next one like, it's like, no girl. Just like enjoy it. Yeah. You are like, this is the, it's a nice view is the thing. Yeah. It's lovely up here. Yeah. That one's shorter. It slightly higher,

Franki:

but you don't need to be there.

Logan:

No. You've been so much higher before. It's not all it's cracked out to be.

Franki:

Totally. What's the dream in your life that you've achieved that you're maybe most stoked about? Is it the ring? Is it the sobriety? Your success as a musician. Is there one thing that you can say, this is the one moment where I was like, yeah, that's great.

Logan:

Oh, I really liked when I finally figured out my skin routine. Hell yeah. I fought my skin for years and years. And then like a few years back, I like figured it out and was like, Oh my God, thank God. And ever since then, it's been great. I think those kinds of things really do ultimately matter. So let's hear it. That was a vapid. Oh, you're going to die if I tell you.

Franki:

No, I need to know now.

Logan:

Okay. Um, I use a three steps skin system every day that involves a cleanser, uh, a liquid exfoliant as well as sort of a cream exfoliant. Are you going to drop things or

Franki:

are we going to have to just? Paula's choice. Paula's choice. Have

Logan:

you ever heard of this? It's

Franki:

Paula Dean and it's all just butter. It's

Logan:

not.

Franki:

No,

Logan:

but I, it doesn't sound fancy. It's me. It's mid range. It's like the best kept secret. Great. I love Paula's choice. No gatekeeping on this. I also use an led mask. I use a mud mask twice a week. I do a lot of stuff, but like I've got the routine down where it like, works. Um,

Franki:

cause you're 107 years old, right?

Logan:

I am 107 today. Thank you. Happy birthday to me and my skin. Um, yeah, so that was important. And I think that like, even though that's shallow, it's

Speaker 6:

not,

Logan:

it kind of is important when your face is out there all the time. Like I needed to figure that out. So that was cool. And I think I'm really, really, really proud. Um, you know, the way this new record came out, I think this is the first I've been signed to a lot of labels, big and small, and I've been dropped by every single one of them. Graystar, EMI,

Franki:

Caroline.

Logan:

Yeah, just like the reason the list is so long is because they were like, thank you for the one album and one single goodbye.

Speaker 7:

Yeah.

Logan:

Um, and that's just a product of labels being like, Hey, money, let's get it. And not really being down to invest in me or care about my art as an artist. Yeah. So I think, you know, landing kill rock stars during the pandemic when everything was so bleak, that was really special and will always be maybe the most special thing that's happened. I don't think it's often that people at my age. Get their big break and then get to 107. Exactly. Uh, thank you Adrenochrome. Is that what it's called? That's right. Yeah. Uh, please don't come for me more trolls. I'm just fucking kidding. Oh my God, they're coming.

Franki:

They're coming. They're coming for you and Hillary.

Logan:

I am kidding. Uh, but I do think like, you that I allow myself to feel celebrated and happy about that pretty frequently. And the idea that I would get a second record and all these other projects and a film that, that they are into it and it's, and they know what to do with it where it's successful enough where I get to do it again. All of that is beautiful and I will never not feel grateful. I've also been able to open the doors. Um, to get other people through the gates, um, which has been cool. I think kill rock stars trying to be a queer and trans centered label, um, is really special and, and I'm useful in that environment.

Speaker 3:

So we've heard

Franki:

that's awesome. Well, I think that, you know, I usually wrap up by doing a little lightning round, and I think that we're about at that time. Where do you go when you die?

Logan:

Ooh. I hope to where all my dead puppies are. Aw, the backyard? Sorry, I didn't mean to make that a bummer. No, it's fine. I just hope that there's somewhere good. Yeah, I don't know that you go anywhere, but I do sense that it is Not hell.

Franki:

Mm hmm. Yeah. Forever and ever and ever. Yeah. Forever. And

Logan:

if it is, like, oh, well. Oops. Oh, well. I didn't hear that trumpet sound in time, I guess. Yeah. What happens?

Franki:

Next question, fittingly enough, is there a God?

Logan:

I'm gonna say yes, because I believe that God is love and I definitely believe in love,

Franki:

but I

Logan:

don't believe there's a magic sky daddy

Franki:

Oh, but wouldn't it

Logan:

be

Franki:

nice if there was some days

Logan:

if there is he has some explaining to do. Yeah Yeah, he does magic sky daddy. What have you done? Why have you done?

Franki:

Can anyone be a musician?

Logan:

No, hard. Yes Well, I just say that because I think too many people are trying to be right now that shouldn't like, that should stop. You can just be a real housewife. You don't have to be a real housewife who sings. Sure.

Franki:

Do you believe that anyone is really 100 percent straight?

Logan:

My experience has been no. But I also think, like, good for them if they are. That's cool. I think, probably, I think it's hard to say because if you just go nature, then like, no, right? Cause animals are kinda gay. Um, my experience is that everybody's a little swishy.

Franki:

A little swing in the hips, a little swishy. Could just

Logan:

be who I've been around, though, too. You know, like maybe I'm cultivating kind of gay people.

Franki:

We self select, right? I'm cultivating kind of gay people. I love that.

Logan:

Yeah.

Franki:

Yeah, I think that's me, too. I hope that that's one of the things that all of us in the LGBTQIA community can share in common, is that All of our friends, regardless of how straight they were when we met them, are just a little gayer for knowing us. Slightly, yeah. Just slightly gayer.

Logan:

Yeah, or at least we've given them a gay sensibility. Everyone should have a gay sensibility about them. Everyone should have gay friends. Yeah, everyone should try to be culturally

Franki:

queer. Amen. Amen. What's your favorite song?

Logan:

Um, right now or always? Well, it changes. You can give me both. Right now I'm listening to a lot of girl in red her new record. I love that

Franki:

This is where the red dress came from earlier. Maybe Consciously back of mine.

Logan:

Oh my god. I'm trying to get on girl in reds radar and then my favorite song of all time Probably to be of use by smog. I think that's why I covered it. I, I, that song has always meant something to me. The cover is so beautiful. Thank you.

Franki:

Is it out already and people can hear it already? It is. Yeah, that was the first single in video we released. It's out now. It's so nice. It was like, that was my, also my introduction to your, not your music, but your musicality and cool hearing it. And I was like, oh my gosh. Like it breathed a new life into that song that I thought was really cool and powerful and beautiful. Thank you. Yeah. Uh, favorite book?

Logan:

Hmm. I really think every Gay should read the Velvet Rage. That's mattered to me a lot.

Speaker 3:

Favorite color. Blue. Flavor. Vanilla. Word of the year.

Logan:

What?

Speaker 3:

Word of the year.

Logan:

Vanilla is? No, no,

Franki:

no. What is your word of the year?

Logan:

Oh, I was like, weird. Vanilla.

Franki:

That's my new word of the

Logan:

year. I'm going to go straight up vanilla. Let's see what happens. Sorry, girl. Um, huh. Scandaval.

Speaker 3:

Hmm. Say more?

Logan:

That's uh, Vanderfump.

Franki:

Okay. Is it like a carnival of scandal?

Logan:

It was like, just like the shorthand for the big thing that's happened the last two seasons. I'm sorry, it's all I could think of.

Franki:

Okay. I love it. Scandal Al. Great. Okay. Fuck, marry, kill.

Logan:

Hmm.

Franki:

But you have to choose them.

Logan:

Oh

Franki:

yeah.

Logan:

Um, and can I just fucking marry my fiance and kill someone else? No, absolutely. He's out. Okay. Um, hard fuck, uh, maybe. The guy from, uh, Twister. Love it. Mary, um, Somebody really rich. Love it. But who's also nice. Oh, that's hard to find. I know. Do I have to find a name? I can't think of anybody really rich and nice. I know, that's because they

Speaker 5:

don't

Logan:

exist. And kill, I think, probably someone who deserves it. Um, that's a good start. Yeah. Like, I don't know that I believe in capital punishment, but like every time I opened the obituary, I think, huh, that's too bad. That's not what I was hoping to see there today.

Franki:

Yeah, that's good. I think that's a sweet way to answer that. If this podcast had a slogan, what would it be?

Logan:

Ah, I mean, I like the title is so good. Like music is so gay is what I would do. But just with like a million O's and a million A's.

Speaker 3:

Totally.

Logan:

Um, and I also think like, you know, there's so many funny. Old, like what did they used to say to each other in the 1950s before you could be gay openly? Like some of that, like this friend, friends

Franki:

of, uh,

Logan:

yeah. Friends of Dorothy. You have like the whole sugar in your back pocket thing. We said a little light in

Franki:

the loafers. This one is, huh? Yeah. I like all of that. Love it. Okay, well then I'll just, I'll just use all, I'll just use a bunch of fifties euphemism, euphemisms and then music is, so, yeah, just rattle 'em off. So I assume so and gay also need to be capitalized, right?

Logan:

Yeah. And you have to have like, you know, at least 10 O'S and 10 A's

Speaker 4:

Okay. That's perfect. I just typed this up for you. I think that should work.

Logan:

Also, I like to say gay is good. Like that was always the. Thing that like those old like the first Christopher Street Parade Signs like all of those signs like when I was singing about what doc is Initial branding and marketing should be it was all pulled from that like gay is good. Yeah

Franki:

Nice gay is good. Yeah

Logan:

Music good gay good

Franki:

music gay good good. Yeah Maybe that's it music dot good dot gay dot Yeah, great We've, uh, we've wrapped it up. We've hit the nail on the head. We killed it. Is there anything else that you would like to add, sir? Logan Lynn?

Logan:

No. Other than, um, everyone, please go check out my new record and film and stay tuned. Cause we have more stuff in coming. Going to be a fun year.

Franki:

Yeah.

Logan:

Oh, and go register your gay domain so we can make a bigger donation.

Franki:

Yeah, totally. That's something that we'll, I'll put in a little after the fact thing of how you can do that. And if we have any discounts for you, which I'm sure we might. I think we might. We just might. So thank you everyone for tuning into music. gay. Holler at us on Instagram at musicdotgay. gay. It's all spelled out. And email us. Same thing, music. gay. All spelled out. Music, good, gay, good. Thank you so much, Logan. Uh, thank you for all that you've done for the queer communities and for the music, for the gay empire that we're all building together. And everyone, like, like Logan said, go to, uh, pocp. com. Co forward slash soft core. Is that the best place to preorder and everything?

Logan:

I think so. Yeah. It's such a weird, like, it's one of these like DSPs where it's all in one place. You can also just go to loganlindmusic. com and like everything's there.

Franki:

So go to loganlindmusic. com and do check out all of that stuff. Check out previous albums. I just bought the deluxe double vinyl edition of one of your past albums. I'm stoked to get it. Thank you. I'll have it spinning on my record player. I'll send you a little video. It'll be real cute.

Logan:

That's so exciting. I will post it.

Franki:

Good. Great. Everyone do everything you can to support your friends if they're musicians. Support gay music. Pre record. Not pre record. Pre order. Pre save all those things are actually really helpful. I think that's all Logan. You're wonderful. Everyone have a wonderful week. You are

Logan:

too. Appreciate it.

Franki:

Thank you. Appreciate you. Thank you. Listeners. Thank you, Logan. Thank you all. Music. Good. Okay.

Speaker 5:

Good.

Franki:

Good.

Speaker 8:

Bye. Hi everyone. Just wanted to pop in here at the end of the episode and let you know that we do have the, okay. To use the Code Capital Music Monday, all caps Music Monday, um, to get you a free year of your domain of choice at the dot gay top level domain. So go to pork bun.com. Strange website, uh, name I know, but it's a great website. P O R K B U N dot com porkbun and sign up for a gay website that you want and use the code MUSICMONDAY and it will be free for a year. This is an amazing deal, thank you GoDaddy. Thank you. Oh, hey, doc. Gay. Thank you. Pork bun. Everyone involved with this. Thank you, Logan, for a wonderful episode and for making this a possibility. Big time appreciated. Say goodbye.